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From an email from Evelyn W. Bromley in B.C., Canada received 3 April 2003
Hi there
I'm hoping you may have information that would confirm a suspicion I have about one of my distant relatives. The Cambridge Alumni lists have an entry for William Horner which says
"Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 / Horner, William. / College: ST JOHN'S / Entered: Michs. 1796 / Died: 1839 / Adm. pens. (age 18) at ST JOHN'S, June 8, 1795. S. of William, Esq., of Ripon. B. at Liverpool. School, Leeds Grammar. Matric. Michs. 1796; B.A. 1800. Ord. deacon (Lincoln) May 31, 1801; priest, Feb. 27, 1803; C. of Thorpe-next-Wainfleet, Lincs., 1801. Chaplain of Kirkdale gaol. Married, Dec. 12, 1805, a dau. of the Rev. Peter Bulmer, V. of Thorpe. Died 1839. (G. Mag., 1805, II. 1170.)"
I have not been able to find the name of the daughter. Today while surfing I came across your site, and in it you have an entry for Peter Bulmer, Vicar of Thorpe, stating that he had six children, amongst them two daughters, one born about 1784 and one about 1791. I suspect that the elder may be my girl - the younger would have been very young to have been marrying in 1805. Do you know anything more about this branch of the Bulmer family? Could there have been more children?
I know of three children of William Horner: Mary Hannah, Irene Eliza, and George John. The two daughters married brothers from a branch of my family, and the son married a woman from another branch of the family.
I'd be happy to pull out this information and pass it on to you if you feel there is a connection.
Evelyn
New Westminster, BC, Canada.
3 May 2004: here are some notes on people who might be related:
From Stephanie Stephenson in the Bulmer Forum at genforum.genealogy.com
George Bulmer Booth was my great great uncle. He was born 1880 at Forest Hill, Kent. Eng.He was a twin. His father was William Henry Booth (b. 1844)/mother: Sarah Ann Booth. Grandparents: George Booth (dob not known)(Lime Merchant) and Susanna Young. I do not know where they originated as yet. As Bulmer is quite unusual, middle name may have been from a female married into the family.Found George Bulmer Booth on the 1881 Census:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William H. BOOTH Head M Male 36 Newington, Surrey, England Painter Paperhanger
Sarah Ann BOOTH Wife M Female 37 Hertford, England
Alice E.A. BOOTH Daur Female 13 Forest Hill Nurse (Dom)
William H. BOOTH Son Male 11 Forest Hill, Kent, England Scholar
Ada E. BOOTH Daur Female 8 Forest Hill, Kent, England Scholar
Gertrude BOOTH Daur Female 6 Forest Hill, Kent, England Scholar
Ernest H. BOOTH Son Male 4 Forest Hill, Kent, England Scholar
George B. BOOTH Son Male 4 m Forest Hill, Kent, England
Jessie F. BOOTH Daur Female 4 m Forest Hill, Kent, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling Stansted Road 14 Rojack Road
Census Place Lewisham, Kent, England
Family History Library Film 1341172
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0738 / 81
Page Number 44
According to the Marriage information, Joseph was of the parish of Isle of Ayton, and that he was a clerk. Don't know where this place is!!
!Could it be Great Ayton/Little Ayton, just near Middlesborough?
Her name is given as Elizabeth Perry in the Birth and Christening record on the IGI!!
Her name is given as Elizabeth Perry in the Birth and Christening record on the IGI!!
Relative/Proxy: Abraham Smurthwaite Jnr, and John Stitt, and Conway W Bowen.
I have a conflicting pair of dates for Thomas Daniel's birth and Christneing:-
Born 29 Mar 1809
Christened 2 Apr 1809.
!Also, he apparently qualified as a Painter, and not a book binder which is what he started off his apprenticeship as.
William married Mary Stather over in Hull. He had moved to hull prior to marrying Mary.
From an email from Grant F Edwards - 15 March 2002
Dear Brian,
Your vast store of information has added a number of names to my own family tree, for which I'm very grateful.
Your Mary Bentall (5167) was my great-grandmother, so there is a whole line of my own ancestors in your tree stretching back from that point.
The least I can do is to add a few extra details for you in return for what I have gleaned this evening.
Mary Bentall (5167) married my great-grandfather Thomas William Emery, a warehouseman, at the Church of St Jude's, Bethnal Green, on October 5, 1871. There were six children, William (c.1872), Agnes Mary (2.6.1877), Arthur (c. 1880), Robert Joseph (5.11.1883) who emigrated to Canada, Minnie (c. 1885) and Elizabeth Maud (30.1.1887).
Agnes Mary is my paternal grandmother. She married Charles Henry Edwards at St Mary's Church, Walthamstow, on October 22, 1898. She had six children, including my father.
Mary Bentall's husband Thomas William Emery died in Bethnal Green in August 1889 after an accident. Mary then married a James John William Law (marriage date unknown) and died at 12 Middle Wall, Whitstable, Kent, on 17.11.1932.
Her father, Daniel Bentall (883), died at Causeway End, Felsted, of a cerebral haemorrhage on 15.1.1909.
I have the death certificates for all three of the deaths mentioned.
I won't add any more information at this point, as it is probably peripheral to your own family tree studies, but I'll be glad to give you any more facts that might be of interest if you want them.
Kind regards
Grant Edwards, Epping, EssexAnother Email from Grant:
I found the site by typing in the words Bentall and Felsted togoether on the
Google search engine - it's amazing how much family history you can find by
entering surnames, especially relatively unusual ones, in combination with a
placename.
By the way, although my great-grandmother Mary Bentall is shown in your tree
as being born at Workhouse, Felsted, it was by then known as "The Old
Workhouse" and was a private home. She continued to live there during her
early childhood.
Another minor point - Mary's sister is shown as Clara or Celia Bentall. I
expect the handwriting in the register was illegible. Actually, her name was
Clara.
She married someone called Portway and moved to the Tottenham area. I
have this fact from my 95-year-old aunt, who is a granddaughter of Mary and
a great-niece of Clara. She is a mine of information.
Grant
Let me know if you want me to give you the details to continue the line from
Mary down to the present day.Another EMail from Grant:
I can confirm it was Mary Bentall herself who died at Whitstable in 1932. Her second husband was present at the death. I don't know what became of him afterwards.Another Email from Grant:
Mary Bentall's second husband, who survived her, was James John William Law, who married her sometime after her first husband, Thomas William Emery, died in an accident at the age of 39 in August 1889. I don't know when Mary Bentall married her second husband. At some point she moved from Bethnal Green to Walthamstow and ran a corner shop. That may have been in the late 1890s. She was certainly married to James Law some of the time she was in Walthamstow, i.e. she didn't marry him while in retirement in Joy Lane, Whitstable. My guess is that she probably married James Law sometime in the early 1900s - but that's only a guess. I don't know what happened to James Law after Mary died in 1932.
Did she marry a widow, ie, was James Law a widow also, like herself??
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